Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Women and Ancient Warfare

I promise not to do this often, but I think someone should every now and then. As the only female in the class, I feel responsible for presenting a different viewpoint than some of the male students might have.



First, I am not a psychotic feminist. I believe in gender equality, not the superiority of the female gender. After all, feminism started out as a movement to gain equal rights for females. That’s what it should continue to be.

But that’s not the point of this. My real question is how this class is relevant to women specifically. Clearly this role has changed since the Trojan War, but how? How has society changed so significantly that women have gone from being prizes to fighting soldiers, and what were the “in-between” stages?



The Iliad, though a novel filled with male characters, has its origins in females themselves. The simplest cause of the Trojan War was the quarrel between Athena, Hera, and Aphrodite about who was the “fairest” goddess—a contest which is justifiably seen as vain and associated with women. When Paris gives the apple to Aphrodite, she naturally rewards him with a prize: a woman, Helen of Sparta. The entire story is based around several stereotypical situations: the three women arguing about “silly” vanity, Zeus passing the judgment to Paris instead of getting involved in a “woman’s quarrel,” and the reward of a beautiful woman. Homer was by no means politically correct according to today’s standards, but it is important to remember the time frame in which he wrote.



Throughout the Iliad itself, women continue to be represented in similar ways. As early as Book 1, Agamemnon and Achilles fight over Briseis, a woman claimed as “bounty.” Agamemnon wants Briseis in exchange for Chryseis, another girl, since they must return Chryseis to her father. Briseis and Chryseis themselves really have no choice in the matter, though doubtless they would both prefer to simply go home. By Book 2, Agamemnon regrets their quarrel, lamenting that if only he and Achilles could work together, Troy would fall immediately. Women are represented as distractions and possessions in war, not workers and certainly not able fighters.



Another interesting scene regarding the role of women is in Book 4, when Aphrodite attempts to lure Helen back to Paris after seeing her husband Agamemnon. Helen tries to resist, saying it would be wrong. One threat from Aphrodite, however, is enough to silence her. This, combined with Hera’s and Athena’s roles as warriors, clearly shows that goddesses play a different role in Greek myths than human women. (However, this is not enough to overcome the gods; in Book 1, when Hera provokes Zeus enough to cause a reaction, she becomes “terrified” afterwards.)



Clearly the Greeks did not believe that women were equals in war. Instead, decisions were made for them and they were seen as possessions, distractions, and hindrances meant to be left at home; they were not fighters or even contributors to a war effort. Today, women fight in the military, and might even be drafted someday.

7 comments:

Michael S. said...

Tess, I really like what you wrote and how you confronted the differences in the roles of women from the times of the Trojan War to today. I understand your idea that women were seen as objects at the time, but I do think that women were very important to the men, even if for the wrong reasons. I also wanted to ask, do you really think that women are treated equally today in the military? While the balance is better now, i don't think its completely equal, even though we wished it could be.

Will A. said...

I agree with Michael that women, although they seemed unimportant to the men that "owned" them, were actually quite important, but for the wrong reasons. I agree with you on the fact that they were seen as posessions and spoils of war but I can also see why they were so important to the men that they "belonged" to. This importance can be seen when Briseis is taken from Achilles. Achilles is so affected by this event that he refuses to fight until she is returned to him.

Jack said...

I also agree with the sense that men viewed women as possessions or as property at that time. I think you are all right that women were extremely important to the men who they "belonged to" because they provided an escape from the war in a way. Will's connection to the text is a great example of women's affect on men during wars.

SHANIL D. said...

I agree that women were viewed as prizes in the Iliad, but I don't believe that much has changed in terms of perception in today's society. Regardless of whether women are drafted or choose to enroll in the army, I don't think they are treated with the same respect as men. When we think of the army and war, we think of brave men who fight for our country. I'm not saying I encourage this viewpoint, but I feel it is a factual perception that people have.
America has women serve in the army, but do any other big powers allow women to enroll?

Ed C. said...

Women can serve in the army, but when's the last time anyone heard of a woman in High Command? If there were, I haven't heard. I think this underlines the sexism that will be present in society for a long time to come. Then again, I'm not jumping on the feminist call for the absolute extinction of sexism either (not saying you are either, tess). I think a lot of guys say (in our private school classroom) that they don't mind serving under a woman. But when it really comes down to it, how many guys in our class would have no reservations about putting their lives in the hands of a woman over a man. Yes, that sounds sexist. Yes it is sexist. That's how ingrained sexism is in our lives. That's not something that can be easily removed. I have a hard time believing anyone in the Iliad would follow orders from a woman on the battlefield. I'm not trying to offend, I just think that's how it is.

Paul Stanley said...

I like that you bring up the absense of women in the war, but I think you are kind of underestimating their role. I do agree that in some instances that they are seen as possessions, but when the men are off killing each other, who's at home taking care of the family? If the kids are not protected by the women, it's hard to say that either the Trojans or the Acheans would have a promising future. Also, the men certainly do not treat the goddesses like possessions. There are numerous occaisions when men pray to these female goddesses, which leads me to believe that they worshiped plenty of women.

Frankie said...

I understand what you're saying Paul, but I think you're overestimating the way the Greeks treated women. Although they did praise goddesses, they did so because they were powerful deities. They still treated women like property by taking them as spoils of war. I still agree with Tess on this situation but your comment does make me think, perhaps they did give more credit than I last thought.